. >> john: during the first few days after sandy, there was not a single homicide in the city of new york contrary to what mr. lapierrre lied and only seven alleged luting cases in all of brooklyn. what's he talking about and do his fans care? >> he's been watching too many movies, mad max australia back after 2,000 years. the guy simply is detached from reality. i think the -- >> john: does he need to be? isn't his job to sell fear? >> i was completely wrong about three months ago. less than that. after the newtown massacre, and there have been a sequence of horrific events. i kept waiting for an alternative force to emerge within the nra. somebody to stand up. somebody akin to what's going on in the republican party now or even a karl rove saying hey guys, we can't win this way. there are gun owners who are sensible. i keep waiting for some of those to band together saying here's what we think we can do. >> john: you see 85% of nra members support background checks. >> there's no voice. they need somebody to be their recognizable face who can then -- >> take on the leadership. >> p